the pentagon does the overuse of drones. so, we can use them, say, in afghanistan. where there is a declared military action. but in pakistan or any place where it's used in a covert way, that's the cia. and most of those decisions are made in mr. brennan's basement office, under the oval office in the west wing and he's the one who's got to put together what has become known popularly as the list and i'll work with president obama and others on how they want to narrow those. a lot of debate. if you kill a terrorist and then he's replaced by his driver and the next drone goes in after him, is that a legitimate target? >> well, i think the other question that jane harman brought up earlier, should any of this stuff be done under the cia or done at the pong where, frankly, more accountable perhaps in place? >> well, chuck, the drone war is the least covert covert operation the u.s. has ever run. every drone strike done by the cia or just about everyone is reported in the newspapers or some journal -- >> can't hide them. they're not small things. >> the most covert one